There is No Difference Between Men & Women Salah


The way in which women pray is the same as the way in which men pray in every part of the prayer, prostration, sitting, and so on. This is based on the following evidence:

1 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Pray as you have seen me praying.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari. This is addressed to both men and woman.

Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Everything that we have said above about the way in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed applies equally to men and women. There is nothing narrated in the Sunnah which implies that women are exempted from any of that. Rather the general meaning of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Pray as you have seen me praying,” include women too.

Sifat Salaat al-Nabi, p. 189

2 – The general meaning of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Women are the twin halves of men.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 204; al-Tirmidhi, 105, from the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah. Also narrated by al-Daarimi, 764, from the hadeeth of Anas.

Al-‘Ajlooni said: Ibn Qattaan said: The isnaad from ‘Aa’ishah is da’eef (weak), but the isnaad from Anas is saheeh (sound).

Kashf al-Khafa’, 1/248

Al-Khattaabi said: What we understand from this is: If something is said in the masculine, it is addressed to women too, except in cases where there is evidence to indicate that it applies only to women.

Al-Haafiz stated in Fath al-Baari that Abu’l-Darda’ had two wives, both of whom were called Umm al-Darda’. The older one was a Sahaabiyyah and the younger one was a Taabi’iyyah. He suggested that the one who was referred to here by al-Bukhaari was the younger one.

From Scholars :

Imam Bukhari (rah) with Sahih Sanad brought the practice of Umm e Darda (ra) that she used to sit like men [ Al-Tarikh Al-Saghir Al-Bukhari 90 ]

Ibrahim Al-Nakhai (rah) “The Women should sit like men in prayer” [ Ibn e Abi Shaybah 1/170 ]

Ibn e Hazm (rah) ” There is no difference in the prayer of men and women “ [ Al-Mahalla 3/37 ]

Ibn-e-Hajar (rah) said “There is no difference in raising hands for takbir for men and women” [ Fath Ul Bari 2/222 ]

Ibn-e-Qudaima (rah) “In reality there are same rulings proven for men and women prayer except it is mustahhab for her to cover herslef in Ruku and Sujood” [ Al-Mughni 2/258 ]

Imam Nawawi (rah) “The Women should place their hands on chest like men” [ Sharh Muslim 1/195 ]

Imam Behaqay (Rah) made whole chapter in Sunan Al Kubra that “Sunnah is to place hands on chest in Salah”

Shaykh Nasir ud din Al AlBani(Rah) said

Also, Bukhaari reported in at-Taareekh as-Sagheer (p. 95) with a saheeh sanad from Umm ad-Dardaa’, “that she used to sit in her prayer just as a man sits, and she was a woman of understanding.”

The hadeeth about the indimaam (tucking up) of a woman in prostration, and that she is in that regard not like a man, is mursal and not authentic. Abu Daawood transmitted it in al- Maraaseel on the authority of Yazeed ibn Abi Habeeb.

As for what Imaam Ahmad has reported, as in his son ‘Abdullaah’s Masaa’il, from Ibn ‘Umar, that he used to instruct his wives to sit cross-legged in prayer, its sanad is not authentic, for it contains ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Umar al-‘Amri, who is a da’eef (weak) narrator.(Siffat Salah al-Nabi)

I found One article on internet and when i looked at. I was shocked that this article is fully supported by Weak and Fabricated ahadith, maybe the person has written or copy pasted without scruitinizing it due to lack of his knowledge in Usool-al-Hadith or maybe he attributed a lie. So i will scrutinize here InshAllah have a look at this article which maybe harmful for the Ummah specially for the Sisters.

Proof # 1

عن عبد الله بن عمر قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إذا جلست المرأة في الصلوة وضعت فخذها على فخذها الاخرى وإذا سجدت الصقت بطنها في فخذيها كالستر ما يكون لها وان الله تعالى ينظر إليها ويقول يا ملائكتى اشهدكم انى قد غفرت لها
Translation: Ibn Umar (ra) narrates that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: When a woman sits in prayer then she should place her one thigh upon the other and attach the stomach to her thighs so that it is more concealing for her. Indeed, Allah looks at her and informs the angels by saying: “O Angels! Be witness that I have forgiven her! [Sunnan al Bayhaqi al-Kubra (3/74)]

Our Answer :
One of the narrator of this hadith “Abu Mati Al-Hakim Bin Abdullah Al-Balakhi” it is written on the same page of Sunan Al-Kubra Al-Bahayqi that
(Imam) Ahmad said : “The weakness in the ahdeeth of Abu Mati is clear and his narrations are not used in Mutabiyat and Our Teacher says he is weak according to Yahya bin Maieen nd other”

Why there is a deception, quote the full Arabic of this page or a Scan page. Those who have uploaded on their sites this deceptive article.

see Jirrah on it of Jamhur Muhaddisien see Lissan Al-Mizzan (2/334-336).

Second narrator of this hadith Muhammad Bin Al-Qasim Al-Balakhi is Fabricator, See Lissan Al-Mizzan (5/347) and Meezan Al Aitedaal

The Third Narrator of this hadith “Ubaid Bin Mohammad Al-Sarkhi” his history is unknown.

Ibn Hajar said:

Ibn Mu’een said: He is nothing. On one occasion he said: He is da’eef. Al-Bukhaari said: He is da’eef. Al-Nasaa’i said: He is da’eef. Lisaan al-Mizaan, 2/334.

Ibn ‘Adiyy said: It is clear that Abu Mutee’ is da’eef in his ahaadeeth and everything that he narrated, and for most of his narrations there are no corroborating reports.

Al-Kaamil fi Du’afa’ al-Rijaal, 2/214

Conclusion : This hadith is fabricated,Even Imam Bahayqi (rah) himself said about this and the next hadith after it ” Hadissan Zaeefan La Ya Hataj Ba Masa Laha”

This Riwayat is also mentioned in Kanz-Ul-Ummal (7/549 Hadith#20203) with respect to Bahayqi Wa Ibn-e-Adi (Al-Kamil 2/501), In Kanz-ul-Ummal it is written

“رواه ابن عدى والبيهقي وضعفة عن ابن عمر”
Narrated by Ibne Adyy and Al Behaqay from Ibne Omar and weakened (this narration) 

Proof # 2 

عن يزيدَ بن أبي حبيب أنَّ رسولَ الله مَرَّ عَلَى امرأتينِ تصليانِ، فقال : «إذَا سَجَدْتُمَا فَضُمَّا بعضَ اللحمِ إلى الأرضِ، فإنَّ المرأةَ لَيْسَتْ في ذلِكَ كالرجلِ
Translation: Narrated by Yazid bin Abi Habib (ra) that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) passed by two women while they were performing prayer. He said: When you make prostration “KEEP YOUR BODY ATTACHED TO THE GROUND BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOT LIKE MEN IN THIS CASE” [Sunnan al Bayhaqi al-Kubra (3/74)]

In I’laal al Sunnan (3/26) it is said that narrators of this hadith are relied upon and not rejected

Our Answer :
Imam Bahayqi himself said before copying it from Kitab Al Marasil Of Abu Dawud (H#87) that

وروي فيه حديث منقطع

This hadith is “Munqata” (Disconnected).
Yazeed bin Abi Habeeb was born in 53 H and died in 128 h
Tahdeeb at Tahdeeb vol 11 page 279
so at least 2 links are down in this chain from Yazeed to Prophet peace be upon him

It is written about “Munqata” hadiths in one of the Usool-al-hadith Jadid Books :
“Ulema have consensus that Munqata narration is Weak (Zaeef), because its Mahazuf narrator is Majhool”
(Tayasir Mastlaha Al-Hadis 87, 1 Al-Munqata)

It is also mentioned in Kitab Al Marasil of Abu Dawud, that Tawus (a Tabae rah) narrates:
“Prophet (s) used to fold his hands on chest in Prayer” (Page#80)

The Ahle-Taqlid when they themselves do not act upon the Mursal hadiths, then why they present before us. Allah knows better

2nd Objection in Chain is that the Narrator Salim bin Ghailaan is Matrook (Rejected)

Allamah Turqumani Al Hanfi himself said after quoting this narration

ظاهر كلامه أنه ليس في هذا الحديث إلا الانقطاع ، وسالم متروك ، حكاه صاحب ” الميزان ” عن الدارقطني

It seems from Apparent wordings (of Behaqi ra) that it has only Inqita (Discontinuity), (in fact)Salem is Rejected,as narrated by the author of “Al Meezan”(Dahabee) from Daaraqutni. Al Johar Al Naqi fe Radd Al Behaqi 2/315

It is mentioned in Sawalaat al Burqani 35/205

وسألته عن ( سالم بن غيلان ) ؛ يروي عنه ابن وهب ؟ فقال: بصري متروك

Basree Matrook

Note: Salim bin Ghailaan is Credited by Abu Dawood, Nisai, Ibne Hibban the main thing here is to show the Jirha of Ahnaf Muhadditheen.

According to Shaykh Al Bani this hadeeth is weak Sissila Ahadeeth al Daeefa no: 2652 

Proof # 3

عن عليّ قال: إذا سجدت المرأة فلتحتفر ولتضم فخذيها.
Translation: Ameer ul Momineen Sayyidna Ali (RA) said: When a woman goes in prostration then she should “Lean on one side while sitting on her buttocks” and keep her thighs close to eachother [Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayba, (1/302, Hadith # 2773)]

Note: فخذيها means to lean on side while sitting on the buttocks.

Plus this Athar is narrated with many routes. In Musannaf Abdur Razzaq it comes via route of Isra’il whereas in Ibn Abi Shaybah it came from Abul Ahwaas

Our Answer :

First of All, the hadith is Mawquf (stopped).
Although the brother didn’t mention that this Hadith is also present in Bahayqi (2/223).

In Both Bahayqi and Mussanaf Ibn-e-Abi Shaybah this hadiths comes from “Un Abi Ishaq Un Al-Harith Un Ali”.

The narrator “Al-Harith” is strongest Majruh narrator according to Jamhur Muhaddisin.

Zaili Hanafi himself said  “Hujjah cannot be taken from him” (Nasb Ar Raya 2/426), He further stated that “Shuba and Al-Madini declared him as Kazzab (Liar)” (Nasb Ar Raya 2/3)

Imam Muslim (rah) in his Muqadma of Sahih brought regarding “Al-Harith Bin Abdullah Alawar” that Imam Al-Shobi (rah) stated “He was a Kazzab (Liar)” ( Sahih Muslim Vol 1 )

& Also IMAM DARQUTNI  Said : “Al-Harith” is Daeef.
The Second narrator of this hadith is “Abu Ishaq” is Mudallis (Tabaqat Al-Mudallisin La Ibn-e-Hajar, Al-Martaba Al-Salasa 3/91) and he is narrating from Un.

Conclusion : This narration is Batil (Falsehood).

Important Note :

The Upcoming hadiths of “Tarabbu” with respect to Proof 4 and 5, shall be understood by refutation of Proof 6 because Ahnaf believe that Tarrabu was abrogated.

Point no 1: Ordering Tarrabu has not been proven, from any Marfu Hadith.

Point no 2: If it is not proven from Marfu Hadith, then why you based your Madhab on the Maqwuf narrations instead of Marfu?.

Point no 3: According to Ahnaf when “Tarrabu” has been abrogated, so why they are quoting it. To say there was a difference they should have to quote a Marfu hadith that this order was given such as Previously the Ruku was done by placing hands in between the Knees but later on it was abrogated, Similarly Previously the Qiblah was Bait Ul Muqaddas and later on it was change to KabatUllah. So Sahhaba narrates it. Ahnaf should have to provide it when it was given Order ? The hadith they quoted of abrogation that previously it was given order from Musnad Abu Hanifah is Weak Hadith.

So when order was not given how it was abrogated ?

If it has been abrogated, so should have to quote again any Sahih Marfu Hadith what is the new method ?

If it has been abgrogated, and no Sahih Hadith present then should accept that there is no difference left, obviously the Ahnaf doesn’t pray by pertaining their Qiblah to be on Bait Ul Muqaddas.

Another Example is that Ahnaf claim that “Rafaydain” has been abrogated before ruku and after ruku, so when they themselves don’t act on abrogation of what they claim why they present before us this hadiths?.

When there is no Sahih Ahadith and Marfu that Tarrabu was ordered, so how it can be Sahih Sahabas performing something which is against the Prophet (s) and no authenticity provided for the Athar of Companions, even if it were provided it will remain Mawquf (Stopped).

Proof # 4

عن خالد بن اللجلاج قال: كن النساء يؤمرن أن يتربعن إذا جلسن في الصلاة ولا يجلسن جلوس الرجال على أوراكهن
Translation: Khalid ibn Jillaaj (RA) narrates: Women have been ordered to do “TARABBU” while sitting during prayer and they “SHOULD NOT SIT LIKE MEN” [Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayban (1/303)]

Note: Tarabbu means to sit cross legged

Our Answer :

This is Chain

حدثنا أبو بكر قال : نا إسماعيل بن علية عن محمد بن إسحاق عن زرعة عن إبراهيم عن خالد بن اللجلاج قال : كن النساء يؤمرن أن يتربعن إذا جلسن في الصلاة ولا يجلسن جلوس الرجال على أوراكهن يتقي ذلك على المرأة مخافة أن يكون منها الشيء .

Muhammad bin Ishaq is Mudallis and Narrating from (An)

2ndly when He comes in the ahdeeth of Talaaq. These Biased people make strong criticism on him and reject his ahadeeth

True is he is Truthful but he is a Mudallis and if he narrates from (An) then he is not Evidence.

It is narrated that: Umm e Darda (rah) used to sit like males in prayer (Musannnaf Ibn-e-Abi Shaybah 1/207 H#2785 Wa Umatdul Qari 6/101 Wa Sanad Quwi, Al-Tarikh Al-Saghir Al-Bukhari 1/223, Tarikh Damishq Al-Ibn e Asakir 74/117, Wa Taghliq Al-Taliq 2/329 )

And this hadith is also against the hadith of Sahih which has been brought by Imam Bukhari (rah),

“Umm-e-Darda (rah) used to sit like males in Prayer and she was a Fuqiha” (Bukhari H#827)

How about this that, Umm-e-Darda (rah) the Fuqiha the wife of the Great Companion Syedna Abu Darda (R.A) from whom she learned the method of praying ? It is further elucidated from the saying of Great Tabie Imam Ibrahim Al-Nakhi (rah) the Teacher of Imam Abu Hanifah (rah) that :”Women should sit like Men in the Prayer” (Musannaf Ibn-e-Abi Shaybah 1/271 H#2788 anothoer manuscrip hadith #2808 Wa Sanad Sahih)


Proof # 5

حدّثنا أبو بكر قال نا أبو خالد عن محمد بن عجلان عن نافع أن صفية كانت تصلي وهي متربعة.
Translation: Nafi’ narrates that Sayyidah Safiyah (RA) used to pray in state of “TARABBU” [Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayban (1/303)]

Our Answer :

Why Ahnaf are unable to quote any Marfu’ hadith, This narration is Mawquf (Stopped). You should provide hadith of Prophet (Peace be upon him).

In this Athar Muhammad bin Ajlaan is Mudallis (Tabqaat AL Mudalliseen 3/98)

and he is narrating from (AN) so he is not hujjah in his tadlees

No Authenticity for this too.

Proof # 7

(عن نافع، عن ابن عمر أنه سئل كيف كن النساء يصلين على عهد رسول اللّه صلى اللّه عليه وسلم أي في زمانه صلى اللّه عليه وسلم (قال: كن يتربعن) أي في حال قعودهن (ثم أمرن أن يحتفزن
Translation: Ibn Umar (ra) was questioned about how women used to sit during the times of Prophet (Peace be upon him)? He said: In the beginning they used to perform “Tarabbu” but later they were commanded to do “IHTIFAAZ” [Musnad Imam Abu Hanifa (1/120)]

Note: Tarabbu became abrogated and Ithifaaz (i.e. sitting on one side upon buttocks) became the latter practice, even this abrogation itself proves difference of prayer between men and women.

This hadith is also weak, like other hadiths and InshAllah the answer to this cover the two of the preceding hadiths.

It is weak because the Sanad of it contains ‘Abu Muhammad Al-Bukhari” whose real name is “Abdullah Bin Mohammad Bin Yaqub Al-Harithi Al-Bukhari”. His Kuniyat is “Abu Muhammad”. Imam Ibn-e-Al Jowzi (rah) said that Imam Abu Saeed Al-Raus said : ” He is charged of forging hadiths “.

Imam Ahmad Al-Sulaymani (rah) says : “He used to add Sanad of different hadiths to different Matn, and the Matn of different Sanad to different Ones, and it is one of the way of forging hadiths”

Imam Abu Zur`a (rah) says “He is Weak (Zaeef)”

Imam Hakim (rah) says ” He does awkard things with Trustworthy narrators i.e he attributes wrong hadiths to Trustworthy narrators”

Imam Khatib Al-Baghdadi (rah) says : ” He is not Trustworthy “ ( Meezan Al-Itedal 2/496, Lisan Al-Mizan 3/348 )

Rest of the Muhaddiths and Aima of Rijal said him Weak (Zaeef) and some of the narrators of this hadith are Weak and Majhul See (Fatawa-e-Uddin Al-Khalis 4/86)
So this hadith is also weak and cannot be presented as a Proof.

Abu Muhammad Al-Bukhari is also Kazzab ( Lissan Al-Mizan 3/348-349, Wa Kitab Al Qirat Al-Bahayqi 157 )

Proof # 8

عن إبراهيم قال: إذا سجدت المرأة فلتلزق بطنها بفخذيها ولا ترفع عجيزتها ولا تجافي كما يجافي الرجل
Translation: Ibrahim (rah) said: When a woman goes in Sajdah she should join the thighs to her stomach and also not raise her posterior and also “NOT STRETCH HER LIMBS OUT LIKE A MALE” [Mussanaf Ibn Abi Shaybah (1/303)]

Our Answer :

The Saying of A Tabae Point 1.

There are many things in which Ahle-Taqlid oppose Imam Ibrahim Al-Nakhi (rah): He used to do Massah on Jarrabo [ Musannaf Ibn-e-Abi Shaybah 1/188 H#1977 Wa Sanad Sahih]

In the state of Wudu, he would not kiss his wife [ Musannaf Ibn-e-Abi Shaybah 1/45 H#500 Wa Sanad Sahih ]
Means according to him kissing the wife would break the Wudu ( See Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 1/46 H#507 )
Ibrahim Nakhi (rah) used to do Tatbiq in Ruku, means placing hands in between the Knees ( Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 1/246 H#2540 Malkhasatan Wa Sanad Sahih, Al-Amash Sarha Bal Sama)

And last but not the least, what about this :
Imam Ibrahim Al-Nakhi (rah) said that :
“Women should sit like Men in the Prayer” (Musannaf Ibn-e-Abi Shaybah 1/271 H#2788 Wa Sanad Sahih)

Proof # 9

عن مجاهد أنه كان يكره أن يضع الرجل بطنه على فخذيه إذا سجد كما تضع المرأة.
Translation: Imam Mujahid (rah) considered it “MAKRUH” for a man to attach his stomach to the thighs “LIKE A WOMAN DOES” [Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah (1/303)]

Our Answer :

Lais Bin Abi Salim is Weak (Zaeef) according to Jamhur Muhadissin ( Sunan Ibn-e-Majah : 208 Ma Zawaid Al-Bosri )

Jirrah has been done on him (See Tehzeeb ul Tehzeeb)
Even, Hanafis did Jirrah on him in a “Ahsan Al-Kalam” of Sarfaraz Khan Deobandi Hanafi ( Vol 2 Page 128 )
Lais Bin Abi Salim is Mudallis ( Majma Al Zawaid Al Bahayqi Vol 1 Page 83, Kitab Al Mashahir Ulema Al-Masar La Bin Hibban 146-1153 )
So it is Manan, and therefore it is Weak and Batil.

Proof # 10

حدّثنا أبو بكر قال نا ابن مبارك عن هشام عن الحسن قال: المرأة تضم في السجود
Translation: Hasan al Basri (rah) said: A woman should draw herself close together in sajdah [Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayban (1/270)]

Our Answer :

This is narrated with the Chain of  “Ibn Al-Mubarak Un Hasham Un Al-Hasan”

Hasham bin Hassan is a Mudallis ( Tabaqat Al-Mudallisin, Al-Martaba Al-Salasa 3/110 ) This is Manan, so therefore Weak.

Proof # 11

وعن وائلِ بنِ حجرٍ قالَ: قالَ لي رسولُ الله صلى الله عليه وسلّم : «يا وائلُ بنَ حجرٍ إِذَا صَلَّيْتَ فَاجْعَلْ يَدَيْكَ حِذَاءَ أُذُنَيْكَ، والمَرْأَةُ تَجْعَلُ يَدَيْهَا حِذَاءَ ثَدْيَيْهَا».
Translation: It is narrated by Wa’il bin Hujr (ra) that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said to him:..O Wai’l bin Hujr when you (men) start the prayer then raise your hands till your ears”WHEREAS A WOMAN SHOULD RAISE THEM TILL HER SHOULDERS (ONLY)” [Majmz az-Zawaid (2/103), I’laa as-Sunnan (2/156)]

Our Answer :

Hafiz Nur Ud Din Al-Haythmi (rah) in his book Majmz az-Zawaid mentions the chain of it and says : ” I Don’t Know Umm-e-Yahya rest of the narrators are Trustworthy “.

When the Hafiz Haythmi (rah) already done Jirrah on it, why the person of this article wiped out it?.
One Joke : The Hanafis Debater Master Amin Okarvi presented this Hadith as a Proof in ( Majmoa Rasail Vol 2 Page 94 ).
And when another hadith from this narrator went against the Hanafis he writes about it : ” Umm-e-Yahya is Majhul “ ( Majmoa Rasail Vol 1 Page 346 )

It is mentioned in Fath-Ul-Bari that “If a narrator of a hadith is Majhul, then through it the hadith becomes Weak (Zaeef) and the narration of Majhul narrator is not Hujjah” (Fath Ul Bari 1/146).

Prophet (s) said “Pray as you have seen me praying” ( Bukhari )

Now, some people will object that “it would become illogical because Prophet (Peace be upon him) was “SEEN” praying with turban, so should the women also start wearing turbans?”

This logic is itself illogical because Prophet (s) didn’t said wear as you have seen me wearing, otherwise people would be wearing the same. Prophet emphasized about method not clothing.

Another Accusation : Translation: The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: Jummah in congregation is Wajib upon every Muslim “EXCEPT”for four (1) A Slave (2) “A WOMAN” (3) a child (4) and one who is sick (Imam Hakim narrated it in his al-Mustadrak ala Sahihayn where Imam Hakim declared it “SAHIH ON CRITERIA OF BUKHARI AND MUSLIM” and Imam Dhahabi“AGREED” with him (1/423 Hadith#1062)]”

If anyone proves from this hadith different method then he needs to correct himself because it doesnt talk about method, rather ruling otherwise Hanafis should have to prove different methods for Slave and child too.

Another accusation :Translation: It is narrated by Abu Hurraira (ra) that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: Tasbeeh is for men whereas clapping is for women [Jami us-Sahih al-Bukhari, (1/402)]

Prophet (s) also told about fasting, but he didn’t told any different method for fasting, but there is a ruling change which is executed from the General ruling. Keeping fasts is fard upon every man and woman, now women are executed when they are having menses and they should makeup their fasts later on as proven from hadiths. So similarly Prophet (s) executed here women from Tasbeeh. Such as in Surah Nur Chapter 24 Verse 2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes”

The married men and women are executed from this ruling because it is proven from other hadiths they get the punishment of Rajam.

Translation: The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: The beloved prayer of woman in sight of Allah, is the one which she performs in the darkest place in her house [Al-Haythami in Majmz az-Zawaid (2/156)]

This doesn’t prove anywhere the method. Similarly as a woman is executed from the fasts during Menses.

Translation: Nafi narrates from Ibn Umar (ra) who narrates that Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: Both Azan and Iqamah (for prayer) are not binding upon women[Sunnan al-Bayhaqi al-Kubra (2/169)

Whether binding or not, our question is whether method will be different or the same ?.

So the Ahnaf should have to provide Proof for it.

If any Hanafi proves from Imam Abu Hanifah (rah) with Sahih Sanad that there is difference in the prayer of Men and Women, InshAllah i will delete this article.


The Question is Asked to Shaykh. Bin Baaz ( Rahimaullah ) 


The Messenger sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said: “Pray as you have seen me praying” And that which is understood from this Hadeeth is that there is no difference between the prayer of the man and the prayer of the woman, not in the standing, the sitting and nor in the prostration. So I have been acting in accordance with that since reaching the age of at-Takleef (burdened/obligated to abide by the Sharee’ah). But we have women in Kenya who quarrel with me and they say that your prayer is not correct because it resembles the man’s prayer. And the examples they mention where the man’s prayer differs from the woman’s prayer are holding the two hands upon the chest and when releasing them both and the keeping of the back level in the bowing position (Rukoo’) and other than that from the issues about which I have conviction. So I would like you to clarify to me is there a difference between the performance of the prayer of the man and the woman?
O questioner, my sister for the sake of Allaah, indeed that which is correct is that there is no difference between the man’s prayer and the woman’s prayer. As for what some of the jurists mention from the difference [in the prayer of the man and the woman] then There is No evidence for it. And the hadeeth that you mentioned in the question being the statement of the prophet may the peace and blessings be upon him:
“Pray as you have seen me praying”1
[This Hadeeth]is a fundamental principle which generally includes everybody and the legislations are in generality for men and women except for when there is established proof making it specific. So the Sunnah for the woman is that she prays as the men pray in the rukoo’ (bowing), the prostration (sujood), the recitation, putting the hands upon the chest and other than that. This is what is best, this is how to put them (hands) upon the knees in the rukoo’, this is how to put them upon the ground in prostration either in level with shoulders or in level with the ears, this how you make your back level in the rukoo’ and this what is said in the rukoo’ and the prostration and after the rising from the rukoo’ and rising up from the prostration and between the two prostrations. All of it is just the same as the men acting in accordance to his (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) statement:
“Pray as you have seen me praying” [Reported by al-Bukhaaree in as-Saheeh.]
1 Reported by al-Bukhaaree in [the book of] al-Adhaan no.595, & ad-Daarimee in [the book of] as-Salaat no.1225.
Shaykh `Abdul-`Azeez Bin Baz
Noorun ‘alaa ad-Darb – Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat al-Mutanawwi’ah Vol.11.
Translated by Abu ‘Abdillaah al-Kashmiree

5 thoughts on “There is No Difference Between Men & Women Salah

  1. Yasser jamal aboo sofiano April 18, 2017 — 5:51 am

    Jazaaka ALLAH my brother. Please send me every differences. Between salafiyyah and ahlu taqleed

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  2. Yazid bin Abi Habib reports that the Prophet ( ) passed by two women who were praying salah. He said,
    ‘When you prostrate, let part of your body cling to the earth, for women are unlike men in this regard’. 548
    Sayyiduna Ibn Umar ( ) narrates that the Prophet ( ) said, ‘When a woman sits in salah she should place one
    thigh over the other, and when she prostrates she should press her stomach to her thighs in a manner that is the
    most concealing for her. Indeed Allah looks at her saying, “Oh my angels! I make you witness that I have
    forgiven her.”549
    Sayyiduna Wail bin Hujr ( ) reports that the Prophet ( ) said, ‘Oh Ibn Hujr! When you pray make your hands
    level with your ears. And the woman shall raise her hands close to her bosom.’550


  3. Hafidh Nur ud-Din Haythami states:
    Wa’il ibn Hujr states that Rasulullah said to him, “O Ibn Hujr, when you perform salah, raise your hands till
    your ears while a woman should raise her hands till her chest . ”
    (Majma’ uz-Zawaa’id: vol. 2 p 103, and I’laa us-Sunan: vol. 2 p 156)
    Imam Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates:
    “Abd Rabbih Ibn Zaytun said that he saw Umm ud-Dardaa raising her hands parallel to her shoulders when
    beginning salah. ”
    (al-Musannaf li-Ibn Abi Shaybah: vol. 1 p 239)


  4. Αλή Αλ-Γιουνάνι May 22, 2021 — 1:20 pm

    Proofs for the Differences in the Prayer of a Man and Woman

    A common criticism made by Salafis against the Hanafi madhhab is that it differentiates between the Salah of a man and woman. They claim that this is not supported by any evidence, and in fact opposes the clear and general words of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), “Pray as you have seen me praying” (صلوا كما رأيتموني أصلي), a hadith reported the Sahih of al-Bukhari. In the following, an attempt will be made to answer this criticism.

    The Positions of the Four Madhhabs

    The Hanafi madhhab considers the Salah of a man and woman equal in all respects, except that she is to adopt the postures that are most concealing for her, by bringing her limbs and parts together in all the actions of Salah, and not separating between them as a man does.
    Some people are under the impression that this is an isolated Hanafi opinion. However, the truth is that the vast majority of the scholars and jurists of Islam held the view that the Salah of a woman differs from a man’s in this respect. It is the favoured view of all four madhhabs which have been followed by the great majority of Muslims throughout most of Islamic history. It would, therefore, be extremely naive and farfetched to assume that a practice of Salah that received widespread acceptance and went unchallenged and uncontested by the major scholars of the ummah is totally devoid of any sound basis in the sources of Shari‘ah.
    In order to highlight this point, I will quote below statements from the other three madhhabs (Shafi‘i, Hanbali and Maliki).

    The Shafi‘i Madhhab

    Imam al-Nawawi (631 – 676 H), the great Shafi‘i muhaqqiq, said:
    قال الشافعي رحمه الله فى المختصر: ولا فرق بين الرجال والنساء في عمل الصلاة، إلا أن المرأة يستحب لها أن تضم بعضها إلى بعض وأن تلصق بطنها بفخذيها فى السجود كأستر ما يكون، وأحب ذلك فى الركوع وفي جميع الصلاة، وأن تكثف جلبابها وتجافيه راكعة وساجدة لئلا يصفها ثيابها، وأن تخفض صوتها وإن نابها شيء في صلاتها صفقت، هذا نصه.
    قال أصحابنا: المرأة كالرجل في أركان الصلاة وشروطها وأبعاضها وأما الهيئات المسنونات فهي كالرجل في معظمها وتخالفه فيما ذكره الشافعي، وىخالف النساء الرجال في صلاة الجماعة في أشياء…
    “Al-Shafi‘i – may Allah have mercy on him – said in al-Mukhtasar: ‘There is no distinction between men and women in the actions of Salah, except that it is preferable for the woman that part of her clings to a part, and her stomach clings to her thighs in prostration in a manner that is most concealing (for her), and I prefer this in bowing and in the entire Salah; and that she makes her jilbab thick and she separates it (from her body) while bowing and prostrating so that her clothing does not describe her (i.e. her shape and form); and that she lowers her voice and if something occurs to her in her Salah (while in congregation), she claps (i.e. to alert the imam to the mistake).’ This is his (i.e. al-Shafi‘i’s) statement.

    “Our companions said: The woman is like the man in the integrals of Salah, its conditions and its parts. As for the prescribed postures, she is like the man in most of them and she differs from him in what al-Shafi‘i mentioned. And women differ from men in congregational prayer in some things…” (al-Majmu‘ Sharh al-Muhadhdhab, 3:495)

    The Hanbali Madhhab

    Muwaffaq al-Din Ibn Qudamah al-Maqdisi (541 – 620 H), the great Hanbali muhaqqiq, said:
    مسألة: قال: والرجل والمرأة في ذلك سواء إلا أن المرأة تجمع نفسها فى الركوع والسجود وتجلس متربعة أو تسدل رجليها فتجعلهما في جانب يمينها.
    الأصل أن يثبت في حق المرأة من أحكام الصلاة ما يثبت للرجال لأن الخطاب يشملهما، غير أنها خالفته في ترك التجافي لأنها عورة فاستحب لها جمع نفسها ليكون أستر لها، فإنه لا يؤمن أن يبدو منها شيء حال التجافي. وكذلك فى الافتراش.
    قال أحمد: والسدل أعجب إلي. واختاره الخلال. قال علي رضي الله عنه: إذا صلت المرأة فلتحتفز ولتضم فخذيها وعن ابن عمر رضي الله عنهما أنه كان يأمر النساء أن يتربعن فى الصلاة
    “Ruling: He (i.e. Abu l-Qasim al-Khiraqi al-Hanbali, (d. 334 H)) said: ‘And the man and woman are equal in this (i.e. the description of Salah) except that the woman collects herself when bowing and prostrating and she sits in the tarabbu‘ position (inserting the left foot between the thigh and shin of the right leg) or she practises sadl by placing them both to her right side.’
    “The default is that whatever is established for men from the rules of Salah is established with respect to a woman because the address (of the Shari‘ah) encompasses both of them; except that she differs from him in not separating (her limbs) because she is ‘awrah (as established in hadith). Hence, it is preferred for her to collect herself so that it is more concealing for her, because there is no surety that something will not appear from her in the situation of separating (her limbs), and likewise when (sitting in) the iftirash position (i.e. erecting the right foot so the toes point towards the qiblah and sitting on the left foot).
    “Ahmad said: ‘Sadl is more appealing to me.’ Al-Khallal preferred this. ‘Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) said: ‘When the woman prays, she should draw (herself) together, and join her thighs,” and (it was narrated) from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) that he would order the women to adopt the tarabbu‘ position in Salah.” (Mughni, Dar ‘Alam al-Kutub, 2:258-9)

    Imam Ahmad’s son, ‘Abd Allah, narrates:
    قلت: كيف تسجد المرأة وكيف تقعد للتشهد؟ قال: كيف كان أستر
    “I said (to Imam Ahmad): ‘How does a woman prostrate and how does she sit for Tashahhud?’ He said: ‘However is most concealing (for her).’” (Masa’il al-Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal Riwayat Ibnihi ‘Abdillah ibn Ahmad, al-Maktab al-Islami, p. 79)

    The Maliki Madhhab

    Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani (d. 386) – known as “little Malik” – stated in his treatise on Maliki fiqh:
    وهي في هيئة الصلاة مثله غير أنها تنضم ولا تفرج فخذيها ولا عضديها في جلوسها وسجودها وأمرها كله
    “And she (i.e. the woman) in the posture(s) of Salah is like him (i.e. the man), except that she draws (herself) together and she does not part her thighs, nor her upper arms during her sitting, her prostration and her entire affair.”

    ‘Ali ibn Khalaf al-Manufi al-Maliki’s (857 – 939 H) comments on this passage:
    وما ذكره رواية ابن زياد عن مالك وهو خلاف قول ابن القاسم فى المدونة لأنه ساوى بين الرجل والمرأة فى الهيئة
    “What he (i.e. Ibn Abi Zayd) stated is the narration of Ibn Ziyad from Malik and it is contrary to the narration of Ibn al-Qasim in al-Mudawwanah because he equated between the man and woman in the posture(s).”

    And al-‘Adawi (d. 1189 H) said in his marginalia to this work:
    الراجح كلام المصنف الذي هو رواية ابن زياد، ورواية ابن القاسم ضعيف كما هو المفهوم من خليل وشراحه
    “The preferred (view) is the opinion of the author (Ibn Abi Zayd) which is the narration of Ibn Ziyad (from Malik); and the narration of Ibn al-Qasim is weak as is understood from (the Mukhtasar of) Khalil and its commentators.”
    (Kifayat al-Talib al-Rabbani, Matba‘ah al-Madani, 1:551-2)

    In summary, there are two views in the Maliki madhhab both narrated from Imam Malik. One, that a woman is exactly the same as a man in the postures of Salah. And the second that a woman differs from him in that she draws herself together and does not separate her limbs in all the postures of Salah. The favoured view of the madhhab is the latter, making it equivalent to the other madhhabs.

    Hence, all of the four madhhabs agree that a woman differs from a man in the postures of salah, in that she adopts the positions that are most concealing for.

    Below I will present evidences for the view of the vast majority of the scholars and jurists of the ummah on this issue from the sayings of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and the practice and fatwas of the earliest and best generations of Muslims (Sahabah and Tabi‘in).

    Marfu‘ Hadiths

    Hadith One

    Imam Abu Dawud narrates in his Marasil:
    حدثنا سليمان بن داود، نا ابن وهب، أنا حيوة بن شريح، عن سالم بن غيلان، عن يزيد بن أبي حبيب، أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم مر على امرأتين تصليان، فقال: إذا سجدتما فضما بعض اللحم إلى الأرض فإن المرأة ليست في ذلك كالرجل
    “Sulayman ibn Dawud narrated to us: Ibn Wahb narrated to us: Haywah ibn Shurayh reported to us from Salim ibn Ghaylan from Yazid ibn Abi Habib that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) passed by two women praying, whereupon he said: ‘When you two pray, then join part of the flesh to the earth, as the woman is not like the man in that.’” (Marasil Abi Dawud, ed. ‘Abd Allah ibn Musa‘id ibn Khadran al-Zahrani, no. 89)

    This is an authentic mursal hadith. A mursal hadith is one in which the Tabi‘i narrates directly from the Prophet (peace be upon him) without mentioning his source. Here is a brief analysis of the narrators of the chain:

    1. Sulayman ibn Dawud ibn Hammad al-Mahri (178 – 253 H) was declared thiqah by al-Nasa’i and al-‘Asqalani, and he is mentioned in Ibn Hibban’s al-Thiqat.
    2. ‘Abd Allah ibn Wahb ibn Muslim (125 – 197 H) is a narrator found in all six collections of hadith and an undisputed hadith authority from the students of Imam Malik
    3. Haywah ibn Shurayh (d. 157 H) is also a narrator of hadith found in all six collections of hadith and an accepted authority in hadith.
    4. Salim ibn Ghaylan (d. 151 H) was a jurist from the companions of Yazid ibn Abi Habib, and he was declared thiqah by al-‘Ijli and Ibn Bukaryr; while Ahmad, Abu Dawud, al-Nasa’i and Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani said there is no harm in him (equivalent to saduq); and Ibn Hibban and Ibn Shahin included him in their Kitab al-Thiqats. (Tahdhib al-Kamal, Mu’assasat al-Risalah, 10:169; Tahrir al-Taqrib, Mu’assasat al-Risalah, 2:8)
    5. Yazid ibn Abi Habib (51 – 128 H) is a narrator found in all six collections of hadith, and was a great mufti and scholar of Egypt, said to have introduced the science of jurisprudence in Egypt. He heard from the great Sahabi, ‘Abd Allah ibn al-Harith ibn Jaz’ al-Zubaydi (86 H) who settled and died in Egypt. He was declared thiqah by Ibn Sa‘d, al-‘Ijli and Abu Zur‘ah. (Tahdhib al-Kamal, 32:102-6)

    The editor of Marasil therefore concludes: “Its chain is hasan up to the one who did irsal of it (i.e. Yazid ibn Habib).” (Marasil Abi Dawud, p. 191)

    Mursal hadiths are accepted as a proof (hujjah) by the majority of jurists, including Imams Abu Hanifah, Malik and Ahmad ibn Hanbal in the most famous narration from him (Tadrib al-Rawi, Dar al-Hadith, p. 161). Ibn Jarir al-Tabari (d. 310 H), in fact, stated that it was the consensus opinion of the Tabi‘in that mursal reports are accepted (ibid. p. 162) Hence, for most jurists, this hadith would function as an authentic proof differentiating between the Salah of a man and woman in very clear terms.

    Furthermore, even if it is conceded that it is weak based on the view of those who regard mursal hadiths as weak, a weak hadith is elevated to the level of hasan or sahih if the ummah have acted upon it (see ibid. p. 49), and here this is the case as will be demonstrated later. Either way, therefore, the scholars and jurists who adhere to the evidence of this hadith are justified in doing so.

    Hadith Two

    Hafiz ‘Ali ibn Abi Bakr al-Haythami (d. 807 H) says:
    عن وائل بن حجر قال: قال لي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: يا وائل بن حجر إذا صليت فاجعل يديك حذاء أذنيك، والمرأة تجعل يديها حذاء ثدييها
    “[It was narrated] from Wa’il ibn Hujr, he said: The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) said to me: ‘O Wa’il ibn Hujr! When you pray, position your hands in line with your ears, and the woman positions her hands in line with her chest.’”

    Al-Haythami then said: “Al-Tabrani narrated it in a long hadith on the virtues of Wa’il through the route of Maymunah bint Hujr from her aunt Umm Yahya bint ‘Abd al-Jabbar, and I do not recognise her, and the remainder of its narrators are trustworthy.” (Majma‘ al-Zawa’id, no. 2594)

    This hadith is therefore weak due to the unidentified narrator, but the weakness is only slight so it may be supported by the practice of the ummah, and other general indications.

    Hadith Three

    It is reported in Sahih Muslim that ‘A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said:
    وينهى أن يفترش الرجل ذراعيه افتراش السبع
    “And he (the Prophet) forbade that a man spreads out his arms like a wild animal spreads (them) out.” (Fath al-Mulhim, 3:488-9)

    This implicitly indicates that a woman is exempt from this ruling, as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) singles out a man for this prohibition (especially since the very same hadith in its complete form mentions other general prohibitions that do not single out “a man”). Hence, there is an implicit indication that a woman spreads out her arms during prostration.

    Hadith Four

    Imam al-Bukhari narrated in his Sahih that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
    التسبيح للرجال والتصفيق للنساء
    “Tasbih is for men and clapping is for women.” (Fath al-Bari, 3:100)

    The hadith means that when in congregation the imam makes a mistake, men are to say tasbih(subhanAllah) and women are to clap their hands to alert the imam to the error. This is a clear and authentic hadith on a specific difference between the Salah of a man and woman (which Salafi scholars also accept). Hence, it should not be farfetched that there are other minor differences between them.

    There are many other differences between the Salah of a man and woman recorded in authentic marfu‘ hadiths, although they are not specifically regarding the postures of Salah. For example, the hadiths that state that a woman is not obligated to attend Jumu‘ah, that her house is better for her, and that her prayer is not accepted without a scarf.

    All of these hadiths suggest a basic principle, which is that although a woman’s Salah is similar to man’s, she differs slightly from him in certain aspects of Salah based on the added requirement of concealment and modesty for her. Based on this, the majority of the jurists of all madhhabs have reached consensus that there are small differences in the postures of a man and woman. This is also proven from the practice and fatwas of the Sahabah and Tabi‘in.

    Practice and Statements of the Sahabah

    Narration One

    Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates in his Musannaf:
    حدثنا أبو الأحوص عن أبي إسحاق عن الحارث عن علي قال: إذا سجدت المرأة فلتحتفز، ولتضم فخذيها
    “Abu l-Ahwas narrated to us from Abu Ishaq (al-Sabi‘i) from al-Harith from ‘Ali, he said: ‘When a woman prostrates, she should draw (herself) together, and join her thighs.’” (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah, ed. Muhammad ‘Awwamah, 2:504, no.2793)

    Abu l-Ahwas (d. 179 H) and his teacher Abu Ishaq al-Sabi‘i (33 – 127 H) are both recognised authorities of hadith found in all the six major collections.

    Al-Harith ibn ‘Abd Allah al-A‘war (d. 65 H) is a narrator of hadith found in the four Sunans, and was a companion of ‘Ali and Ibn Mas‘ud. Ibn Ma‘in and Ahmad ibn Salih described him as thiqah and al-Nasa’i said there is no harm in him. Some critics referred to him as a “liar” but the commentators have explained that this was due to his Shiite leanings, not about his integrity in transmission. Nonetheless, there is also some degree of weakness in his narration, as al-Dhahabi and Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani pointed out.

    Mawlana Zafar Ahmad al-‘Uthmani said after citing this report and discussing the condition of al-Harith al-A‘war, “Hence, the hadith is hasan, and the statement of a Sahabi is a proof according to us, and it is also strengthened by the marfu‘ (hadith) [i.e. hadith one above].” (I‘la’ al-Sunan, Idarat al-Qur’an, 3:32)

    Narration Two

    حدثنا أبو عبد الرحمن المقرئ، عن سعيد بن أبي أيوب، عن يزيد بن أبي حبيب، عن بكير بن عبد الله بن الأشج، عن ابن عباس أنه سئل عن صلاة المرأة فقال: تجتمع وتحتفز
    “Abu ‘Abd al-Rahman (‘Abd Allah ibn Yazid) al-Muqri’ narrated to us from Sa‘id ibn Abi Ayyub from Yazid ibn Abi Habib from Bukayr ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn al-Ashajj from Ibn ‘Abbas that he was asked about the Salah of a woman, and he said: ‘She huddles up and draws (herself) together.’” (Musannaf, 2:505, 2794)

    This is an authentic chain up to Bukayr, but it is unlikely Bukayr met Ibn ‘Abbas.

    Narration Three

    Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates:
    حدثنا جرير عن ليث عن مجاهد أنه كان يكره أن يضع الرجل بطنه على فخذيه إذا سجد كما يصنع المرأة
    “Jarir (ibn ‘Abd al-Hamid) narrated to us from Layth (ibn Abi Sulaym) from Mujahid (ibn Jabr) that he would detest that a man puts his belly on his thighs when he prostrates, as a woman does.”(Musannaf, 2:505, 2796)

    Jarir ibn ‘Abd al-Hamid al-Dabbi (110 – 188 H) is a narrator of hadith found in all six collections of hadith, an undisputed hadith authority.

    The narrations of Layth ibn Abi Sulaym (d. 140 H) were used as supporting evidence in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, though not as independent proof. His narrations are found in the four Sunan, and many prominent authorities of hadith took hadith from him, including Shu‘bah ibn al-Hajjaj and Sufyan al-Thawri. Yahya ibn Ma‘in said “there is no harm in him” (which for him is equivalent to thiqah). Imam al-Tirmidhi graded some of his hadiths hasan, and he reported from his teacher, Imam al-Bukhari, that he said, “Layth ibn Abi Sulaym is reliable (saduq) and sometimes he would err in something” (al-Jami‘ al-Kabir, Dar al-Ma‘arif, 4:497). However, most critics said there is weakness in his hadiths as he would mix-up his narrations, sometimes making a mawquf hadith marfu‘ or narrating from ‘Ata’, Mujahid and Tawus what he only heard from one of them. In fact, al-Daraqutni (d. 385) stated that this confusion in the chain was the only reason why many scholars disapproved of him (Fath al-Mulhim, 1:314). Hence, his weakness is only slight. Based on this, Mawlana Zafar Ahmad al-‘Uthmani concluded that his hadiths are hasan.

    Mujahid ibn Jabr (19 – 102 H) is a senior Tabi‘i and one of the foremost students of ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Abbas in Tafsir, and he studied under a number of Sahabah including ‘A’ishah, Ibn ‘Umar, Jabir ibn ‘Abd Allah, Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas, Abu Sa‘id al-Khudri and others.

    This narration proves that it was a well-known and common practice at the time of the Sahabah and senior Tabi‘in for a woman to pray differently from a man by compressing herself and drawing herself together during prostration. This is why Mujahid said “like a woman does,” using this practice of a woman as the act on which he drew his comparison; and it is known in the rules of language that an example is only drawn on something commonly known and recognised.

    The great early jurists like Abu Hanifah and Malik would take inherited practice – ta‘amul – into account in reaching their juristic conclusions, as they lived close to the time of the Sahabah and senior Tabi‘in, so the practice was purest at that time and best reflected the teachings of Islam as taught by the Prophet (peace be upon him). In fact, the prevalent practice was an important tool in their jurisprudence for determining the strength and weakness of narrations. (see: Al-Imam Ibn Majah wa Kitabuh al-Sunan, ed. ‘Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghuddah, pp. 86-91)

    Reports from the Tabi‘in

    Report One

    Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates:
    حدثنا محمد بن بكر، عن ابن جريج قال: قلت لعطاء: تشير المرأة بيديها بالتكبير كالرجل؟ قال: لا ترفع بذلك يديها كالرجل، وأشار: فخفض يديه جدا، وجمعهما إليه جدا، وقال: إن للمرأة هيئة ليست للرجال، وإن تركت ذلك فلا حرج
    “Muhammad ibn Bakr narrated to us from (‘Abd al-Malik ibn ‘Abd al-‘Aziz) ibn Jurayj, he said: I said to ‘Ata’: ‘Does a woman gesture with (i.e. raise) her hands in takbir like a man?’ He said: ‘She does not raise her hands in that like a man.’ And he gestured (with his hands), lowering his hands excessively and he brought them together to himself excessively, and he said: ‘A woman has a posture that men do not have, and if she leaves that there is no blame (i.e. sin on her).’” (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah, 2:421, no. 2498)

    This is an authentic chain. Muhammad ibn Bakr, a narrator found in all six collections of hadith, was declared thiqah by Ibn Ma‘in, Ibn Qani‘, Abu Dawud, al-‘Ijli, Ibn Sa‘d and al-Dhahabi (Tahrir al-Taqrib, 3:218). Furthermore ‘Abd al-Razzaq narrates this in his Musannaf directly from his teacher, the great hadith authority, ‘Abd al-Malik ibn ‘Abd al-‘Aziz ibn Jurayj (Musannaf ‘Abd al-Razzaq, ed. Habib al-Rahman al-A‘zami, 3:137, no. 5066)

    There is an indication in this narration that according to ‘Ata’, the woman fastens her hands near her chest as the narrator says, “he brought them together to himself excessively” which is only conceivable at the chest.

    ‘Abd al-Razzaq also narrated from Ibn Jurayj from ‘Ata that he said:
    تجتمع المرأة إذا ركعت، ترفع يديها إلى بطنها، وتجتمع ما استطاعت، فإذا سجدت فلتضم يديها إليها، وتضم بطنها إلى فخذيها، وتجتمع ما استطاعت
    “The woman huddles up when she bows. She raises her hands to her stomach, and she draws (herself) together as much as she can. When she prostrates, she should bring together her hands to herself, and join her belly and her chest to her thights, and huddle up as much as she can.” (Musannaf, 3:137, no. 5069)

    This is also an authentic narration from ‘Ata’ just like the previous one. ‘Abd al-Razzaq also narrates with the same chain that ‘Ata’ said:
    تجمع المرأة يديها فى القيام ما استطاعت
    “A woman gathers her hands in the standing position as much as she can.” (Musannaf, no. 5067)

    Ibn Abi Shaybah also reports (Musannaf, 2:421, no. 2486) with a chain containing slight weakness from ‘Ata’ that a woman raises her hands to her chest.

    ‘Ata’ ibn Abi Rabah (27 – 115 H) was one of the greatest scholars and muftis from the senior Tabi‘in who lived and taught in Makkah. He was one of the many teachers of Imam Abu Hanifah, and was by Abu Hanifah’s own testimony, his greatest teacher. He has many narrations found in all six of the famous collections of hadith. One of the scholars said: “‘Ata’ was black, blind in one eye, snub-nosed, lame and limp and then he became blind after this. Yet he was trustworthy, a jurist and scholar possessing many hadiths!” (Tahdhib al-Kamal, 20:76). He met over 200 Sahabah and he would issue fatwa in the presence of the Sahabah, at which he became so adept that even the great jurist of the Sahabah, ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Abbas, would say to questioners: “O people of Makkah! Do you collect your questions to me, when Ibn Abi Rabah is amongst you?!” (ibid. 20:77)

    Mawlana Zafar Ahmad al-‘Uthmani writes that although the opinion and fatwa of a Tabi‘i is not an authoritative proof (hujjah) according to the majority of the scholars, it is a proof according to the most correct position of the Hanafi madhhab when he is a senior Tabi‘i whose fatwas became widespread and well-known in the time of the Sahabah (I‘la al-Sunan, 2:192). ‘Ata’ certainly fits this description. Hence, his verdicts will be regarded as proof according to the Hanafis. And for non-Hanafis, they will count as important fatwas by a major early jurist that support the hadiths and narrations documented earlier.

    Report Two

    Ibn Abi Shaybah narrated:
    حدثنا ابن المبارك عن هشام عن الحسن قال: المرأة تضطم فى السجود
    “Ibn al-Mubarak narrated to us from Hisham (al-Dastawa’i) from al-Hasan (al-Basri), he said: ‘The woman huddles up in prostration.’” (Musannaf, 2:505, 2797)

    This is an authentic chain. Al-Hasan al-Basri (22 – 110 H) is one of the most famous scholars, imams, jurists and ascetics amongst the senior Tabi‘in.

    Report Three

    ‘Abd al-Razzaq narrates from his teacher, the great imam in hadith Ma‘mar ibn Rashid (95 – 153 H), from his teachers, al-Hasan and Qatadah, that they said:
    إذا سجدت المرأة فإنها تنضم ما استطاعت ولا تتجافى لكيلا ترفع عجيزتها
    “When a woman prostrates, she huddles up as much as she can and she does not separate (her limbs) so that she does not lift her posterior.” (Musannaf ‘Abd al-Razzaq, 3:137)

    Qatadah is Qatadah ibn Di‘amah (d. 110 H), a narrator found in all six collections in hadith, described by al-Dhahabi as the “exemplar of the mufassirin and muhaddithin.” He was known for his excellent memory. And it is also known about him that he would not issue a verdict or ruling based on his personal opinion. (Siyar A‘lam al-Nubala’, Mu’assasat al-Risalah, 5:269 – 83) Hence, he must have received this ruling from the Sahabah and senior Tabi‘in.

    Report Four

    Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates:
    حدثنا وكيع عن سفيان عن منصور عن إبراهيم قال: إذا سجدت المرأة فلتلتزق بطنها بفخذيها ولا ترفع عجيزتها ولا تجافي كما يجافى الرجل
    “Waki‘ (ibn al-Jarrah) narrated to us from Sufyan (al-Thawri) from Mansur (ibn al-Mu‘tamir) from Ibrahim (al-Nakha‘i), he said: ‘When a woman prostrates, her belly should cling to her thighs, and she is not to raise her posterior, nor spread out (her arms) as a man spreads (them) out.’” (Musannaf, 2:505, 2798)

    This is an authentic narration (and in fact, was regarded by some muhaddithin as the most authentic chain of transmission).

    Ibrahim (ca. 45 – 96 H) was the foremost jurist of Iraq in his time. His narrations are found in all six of the famous collections of hadith, and he was the most learned of the jurisprudential school of ‘Abd Allah ibn Mas‘ud. Hence, the rulings issued by him are given great weight in the Hanafi madhhab. He heard from the great Sahabi, Anas ibn Malik (d. 93 H), as stated by Ibn Hibban in his Thiqat (4:10).

    However, this was not merely a personal opinion of Ibrahim al-Nakha‘i, but something he received from his teachers as made clear in another version of this narration. ‘Abdar Razzaq narrates it in his Musannaf as follows:
    عبد الرزاق عن معمر والثوري عن منصور عن إبراهيم قال: كانت تؤمر المرأة أن تضع ذرايعيها وبطنها على فخذيها إذا سجدت، ولا تتجافى كما يتجافى الرجل لكيلا ترفع عجيزتها
    “Abdur Razzaq from Ma‘mar and al-Thawri from Mansur from Ibrahim, he said: ‘The woman used to be ordered to place her arms and her belly on her thigh when she prostrates and not spread out as a man spreads out, so that she does not raise her posterior.’” (Musannaf, 3:138, no. 5071)

    Here, Ibrahim al-Nakha‘i clearly says that this was the instruction given to women by the scholars of his time, that is the Sahabah and the senior Tabi‘in.

    Report Five

    Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates:
    حدثنا وكيع عن سفيان عن منصور عن إبراهيم قال: تجلس المرأة من جانب الصلاة
    “Waki‘ narrated to us from Sufyan from Mansur from Ibrahim, he said: ‘The woman sits to the side in Salah.’” (Musannaf, 2:508, no. 2808)

    ‘Abd al-Razzaq also narrates it with the same chain, that Ibrahim said:
    تؤمر المرأة فى الصلاة في مثنى أن تضم فخذيها من جانب
    “A woman is ordered in Salah in (the sitting of) two (rak‘ahs) to join her thighs to one side.” (Musannaf, 3:131)

    This is what was described as “sadl” in the report from Ahmad cited in the passage from al-Mughni quoted earlier.

    Report Six

    Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates:
    حدثنا أبو خالد عن محمد بن عجلان عن نافع أن صفية كانت تصلي وهي متربعة
    “Abu Khalid (al-Ahmar) narrated to us from Muhammad ibn ‘Ajlan from Nafi‘ that Safiyyah would pray while in the tarabbu‘ position.” (Musannaf, 2:506, no. 2800)

    This is an authentic chain: all the narrators are unquestionably trustworthy, and each heard from the other.

    Safiyyah is Safiyyah bint Abi ‘Ubayd, the wife of ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Umar. She was a learned Tabi‘i.

    Ibn Abi Shaybah also narrates:
    حدثنا وكيع عن العمري عن نافع قال: كن نساء ابن عمر يتربعن فى الصلاة
    “Waki‘ narrated to us from (‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Umar) al-‘Umari from Nafi‘, he said: ‘The wives of Ibn ‘Umar would adopt the tarabbu‘ position in Salah.’” (2805 2:507)

    ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Umar al-‘Umari (d. 171 H) is a narrator found in Sahih Muslim and the four Sunans. He was declared thiqah by Ya‘qub ibn Shaybah, Ahmad ibn Yunus and al-Khalili. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said, “there is no harm in him.” Yahya ibn Ma‘in said, “there is no harm in him” (which for him is equivalent to thiqah). Ibn ‘Adi said, “There is no harm in his narrations, reliable.” However, many critics regarded him as weak due to his memory. (Tahdhib al-Kamal, 15:327 – 32) Al-Dhahabi concluded he is reliable and hasan in hadith. (Siyar A‘lam al-Nubala, pp. 339 – 41) Furthermore, al-‘Umari was specialised in the narrations of Nafi‘, so he had better recollection of them than he did the hadiths he narrated from his other teachers. This narration, therefore, ought to be graded hasan.

    These reports are particularly interesting and worthy of note because it is established from ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Umar that he said the sunnah in Salah is iftirash as reported in Sahih al-Bukhari (Fath al-Mulhim, 3:486), which means he must have observed the Prophet (peace be upon him) praying in this way. Since his wives would sit in the tarabbu‘ position despite Ibn ‘Umar’s established view, this is an indication that Ibn ‘Umar must have learned from the Prophet (peace be upon him) that a woman’s posture while sitting is different from a man’s, as he would have, otherwise, corrected his wives.

    The Hadith, “Pray as you have seen me praying.”

    As for the hadith “pray as you have seen me praying,” it should be noted firstly that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said this to a group of young men who came to learn their religion, as reported by the Sahabi, Malik ibn al-Huwayrith, in Sahih al-Bukhari (Fath al-Bari, 3:291). Secondly, this is a general statement about the basic components and requirements of Salah, in which everyone is equal. Mulla ‘Ali al-Qari wrote in his commentary of Mishkat al-Masabih, “‘Pray as you have seen me praying,’ meaning in observing the conditions and integrals.” It is not about every aspect and detail of Salah. Otherwise, the imam and muqtadi should also be equal in every aspect of Salah. Yet the muqtadi differs from the imam in that he does not say the takbir out loud, nor does he say sami‘ Allahu liman hamidah, and according to the majority, he does not recite when the imam recites aloud in Salah. Hence, this is proof that this general statement does not negate specific exceptions that are established from other evidences.

    Furthermore, the general evidence of imitating the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in his Salah is countered by the general evidence of the need for a woman to be modest and keep herself concealed in all affairs. Hence, it is in this respect that there is a distinction between the Salah of a man and woman. Imam al-Bayhaqi (d. 458 H), the great Shafi‘i hadith-scholar, said:

    وجماع ما يفارق المرأة فيه الرجل من أحكام الصلاة راجع إلى الستر، وهو أنها مأمورة بكل ما كان أستر لها
    “All of that in which the woman parts from the man in the rulings of Salah goes back to [the obligation of] concealment, which is that she is commanded to (do) all that is most concealing for her.” (al-Sunan al-Kubra, 2:314)

    Hence, when there is a clash between the two general evidences, we must make an attempt at harmonising between them, which may be done in the manner described above. And in terms of specific evidences, and the views and practices of the Sahabah and early jurists, there are many proofs that there exist small differences in the postures of a man and woman as documented above.

    Did Ibrahim al-Nakha‘i say, “A woman does in Salah as a man does?” – A Refutation of Nasir al-Din al-Albani

    The late Salafi scholar and preacher, Nasir al-Din al-Albani, wrote in his popular book Sifatu Salat al-Nabi when arguing that the Salah of a woman does not differ in any way from the Salah of a man:

    كل ما تقدم من صفة صلاته صلى الله عليه وسلم يستوي فيه الرجال والنساء ولم يرد فى السنة ما يقتضي استثناء النساء من بعض ذلك، بل إن عموم قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم صلوا كما رأيتموني أصلي يشملهن، وهو قول إبراهيم النخعي قال: تفعل المرأة فى الصلاة كما يفعل الرجل. أخرجه ابن أبي شيبة بسند صحيح عنه.
    “All that has come earlier of the description of his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) prayer, men and women are equal therein, and nothing has come in the Sunnah that demands the exemption of women in any of this. Rather, the generality of his (Allah bless him and grant him peace) saying: ‘Pray as you have seen me praying’ includes them. And this is the view of Ibrahim al-Nakha‘i. He said: ‘A woman does in Salah as a man does.’ Ibn Abi Shaybah transmitted it with a sahih chain from him.” (Sifatu Salat al-Nabi, Maktabat al-Ma‘arif, p. 189)

    It has already been demonstrated above that it is proven from the Sunnah and the practice of the early generations that a woman’s Salah differs slightly from a man’s in the areas that were discussed. Hence, the claim that there is no proof from the Sunnah differentiating between the Salah of a man and woman is incorrect. Moreover, a brief analysis of the hadith “pray as you have seen me praying,” has also been discussed above in light of the background to the hadith and the interpretation of it offered by one of the commentators.

    As for the view of Ibrahim al-Nakha‘i, al-Albani’s quotation from him is incorrect on two counts.

    Firstly, even supposing this narration was authentic, it contradicts the other authentic narrations from him. See reports four and five above under the section, “Reports from the Tabi‘in.” These reports are found in the very same section of Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah from which al-Albani quoted it. Yet, overlooking those narrations, he asserted that this report from him is his established “view” (qawl)!

    Secondly, this is a baseless narration, as it is not found in any reliable manuscript of Ibn Abi Shaybah’s Musannaf. In fact, what is found in the Musannaf is the following narration:

    حدثنا غندر عن شعبة عن منصور عن إبراهيم قال: تقعد المرأة فى الصلاة كما يقعد الرجل
    “Ghundar narrated to us from Shu‘bah from Mansur from Ibrahim, he said: ‘A woman sits in Salah as a man sits.’” (Musannaf, 2:506)

    (Note: Al-Nakha‘i is probably asserting the permissibility of this, not that it is preferred. See report five above where it clearly states with an equally authentic chain that al-Nakha‘i said a woman is ordered to sit to one side – that is, unlike a man. Hence, the added emphasis in that narration ought to give it preference.)

    Shaykh Muhammad ‘Awwamah, whose critical edition of Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah is the best to date, writes in a footnote to this narration:
    “This is how the word, ‘she sits’ appears, twice, in all manuscripts. There is a textual corruption in the Zahiriyyah manuscript which is a redaction of the Musannaf, in which is, ‘the woman does.’ This is in opposition to all the manuscripts, and does not accord with the chapter heading (‘on how the woman sits in Salah’), and is contrary to what has passed under number 2798 (from Ibrahim al-Nakha‘i) that a woman has a particular posture in some parts of her Salah in which she differs from a man.

    “The author of Sifat Salat al-Nabi has fallen into this textual corruption in the conclusion he wrote to this book of his – p. 207 of the second edition – and he erred in ascribing this statement to the Musannaf. It appears that he believed the manuscript of the redaction is the original?!” (ibid.)

    This should serve as a lesson to those who unquestioningly accept al-Albani’s documentation and his conclusions based on them, as he and his book are far from error-free.


  5. Dr. Abdul Qadir there’s a reply by a person can you explain the above Refutation or he’s right in this matter?


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